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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sun, 23 October 2022 18:25 UTC

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John,

On 23/10/2022 19:20, John R Levine wrote:
>>> Sometimes reality intrudes anyway:
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/us/financial-aid-lawsuit-colleges.html
>>
>> Really? You think a set of universities will use the IETF to
>> progress their secret plans?
> 
> No, that's not how it works.  If US academics come to the IETF and talk 
> about how much tuition to charge, that would be enough to get them 
> dragged into this suit, regardless of what they say their intentions 
> are, or what their intentions actually are.
> 
> That's why sensible people stay away from those red lines.

IMO your last above is irrelevant to discussion of this
draft.

S.


> 
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
> Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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