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X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39 Precedence: list List-Id: General Area Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 13:14:20 -0000 --000000000000a53ddd060488494e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 6:04=E2=80=AFAM Salz, Rich wrote: > > My suggestion (just sent) is simply to make drafts >1 year old invisibl= e > in the default search. > > I doubt that will be very useful. Most people who would be misled by > outdated drafts probably do not use Datatracker document search, but rath= er > one of the big web search engines. > We're way past the gendispatch question, but I actually find the datatracker's refusal to show expired drafts very confusing, especially when said drafts have been adopted or become an RFC and wish it would do so, at least by pointing me to the descendent documents. Rather than omitting documents, I would prefer that the datatracker by default attempted to sort by relevance, rather than just deciding I didn't want to see things. -Ekr > > > -- > Gendispatch mailing list > Gendispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch > --000000000000a53ddd060488494e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 6:04=E2=80=AFA= M Salz, Rich <rsalz=3D40a= kamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> My suggestion (just sent) is simply to make dr= afts >1 year old invisible
in the default search.

I doubt that will be very useful. Most people who would be misled by outdat= ed drafts probably do not use Datatracker document search, but rather one o= f the big web search engines.

We're= way past the gendispatch question, but I actually find the datatracker'= ;s refusal to show expired drafts very confusing, especially when said draf= ts have been adopted or become an RFC and wish it would do so, at least by = pointing me to the descendent documents. Rather than omitting documents, I = would prefer that the datatracker by default attempted to sort by relevance= , rather than just deciding I didn't want to see things.
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-Ekr


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