[Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-minutes-00
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Subject: [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-minutes-00
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It appears that Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> said: >https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-rescorla-auto-minutes-00.html >> This draft recognizes the practice of using the automated transcript >> as a starting point for the minutes (with the chairs having the final >> approval, of course), and asks the IETF LLC to make a few small >> changes to the tools to facilitate that practice. Based on the discussion so far, I think it would help to make it clearer that the transcript is not the minutes, and it is still up to the chairs or someone they delegate to use the transcript and recording to produce the actual minutes. The main change is that there need not be anyone taking minutes during the session. The minutes can be short, just listing the decisions, and anyone who wants the background can look at the transcript. R's, John
- [Gendispatch] New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-minu… Eric Rescorla
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Eric Rescorla
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Ted Hardie
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Joel Halpern
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Glenn Deen
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Kyle Rose
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Salz, Rich
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Joel Halpern
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Jay Daley
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Pete Resnick
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Brian E Carpenter
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… David Schinazi
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… John Levine
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Eric Rescorla
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… John R Levine
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Brian E Carpenter
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… Martin Thomson
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… John R Levine
- [Gendispatch] Re: New draft: draft-rescorla-auto-… David Schinazi