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Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG

Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> Sun, 14 February 2021 23:01 UTC

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From: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG
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On 2/14/21 6:00 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:

> Keith,
>
>> On 15 Feb 2021, at 9:52 am, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/14/21 4:46 PM, Fernando Gont wrote:
>>
>>> And my question is/was: why is this always left out or postponed?
>> Because some people are more concerned with appearance than reality, or more concerned with being able to pat themselves on the back than to actually make IETF more inclusive.
> You're ascribing motives to other people. Doing so destroys good faith in the process here. Please stop.

Ok, fair.

Keith

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