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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sun, 05 September 2021 21:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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On 06-Sep-21 06:34, Andrew Campling wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2021 at 05:50 Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com <mailto:sayrer@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> It's a good point. So, by that rationale, it seems safe to strike "This document does not contain legal advice"
> 
> I would suggest retaining the text "This document does not contain legal advice" to avoid any misunderstandings. 

I suggest that "This document does not constitute formal legal advice" would be clearer.

After further thought, I've decided I disagree quite strongly with Rob Sayre's suggestion to remove the "should not discuss" bullet points. This is not formal legal advice, but it is a warning to anybody who is unaware of the issues.

I was not at IETF 83, so I checked the minutes of the antitrust BOF at https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-antitrust.txt. They are very concise and do not gave a summary of the discussion points. While it's broadly true that the gap is educational (i.e. I haven't seen any argument that we need to change the IETF's rules and processes because of 
anti-trust or competition law), the education gap is *not* filled by some 
9-year-old slides that as Rob pointed out seem to have got slightly mangled during PDFization.

As far as I can understand the minutes, the proposals that garnered most support in the BOF were "Educational - no consensus needed" + "Current BCPs Sufficient, Need Pointers" (slide 11 in https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/slides/slides-83-antitrust-0.pdf). The new draft is essentially education and guidance. The needed pointers are in section 4 "Existing BCPs". The only way this draft departs from the BOF conclusions is that it proposes to seek IETF consensus for this to be a BCP. Since it doesn't actually define any new rules, that's debatable, but harmless IMHO.

Editorial: The draft doesn't use RFC2119 keywords, so Section 2 "Terminology" should be deleted.

Regards
   Brian

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