Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-ecahc-moderation-00.txt
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-ecahc-moderation-00.txt
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Hi Brian, On 19/07/2023 03:07, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> have the IETF Chair pick a team > > If that is a problem (which would imply a measure of distrust in the > Chair, who is picked by a community process and trusted in many other > ways), how do you think the team *should* be picked? Doesn't the draft say the team "consists of a small number of individuals"? I don't think that particular problem with the solution proposal is with trusting the chair or IESG but rather (for me) with the idea of that being a small team that covers all of the IETF. I think there are a bunch of issues with that, both pragmatic and in principle. Such a setup for the ombudsteam seems fine to me, but not for the far grayer area of disruption across all current and possible future forms of online interaction. Cheers, S.
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
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