Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Fernando Gont <> Thu, 25 February 2021 23:00 UTC

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On 25/2/21 19:25, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>     Using the same toolchain, per se, doesn't seem like a rationale
> Reducing a barrier to contribute is worthwhile.  

When you're changing the way of contributing, you're not universally 
"reducing the barrier". -- certainly not for somebody that does't do git.

> Just as some are advocating being able to submit a draft in any format they have on-hand.
>>     Ok, so this seems to imply that part of the thing is that subcribing to
>      the mailing-lists is seen as part of the problem.
> No.  Participating in a high-volume list with no practical ability to filter things out to just the one section of a draft, for example.

Point taken. So... mailing list are seen as a problematic mechanism to 
carry our work?

F is already making copies of those repositories mentioned in the 
>>     Certainly this kind of think may make the life of some easier, and the
>      life of others more painful. But there *is* an implied tradeoff here.
>      It's not a win-win thing.
> In my experience, very few things are win-win.

Indeed. That's why claiming that the barriers are lowered is a dificult 

> It would be nice if all potential IETF participants were born in the same era and used to the same tools, I suppose.  But it would also be very boring.

It's probably also boring that we all use IP....

Fernando Gont
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