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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 24 January 2023 01:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-04.txt
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Hiya,

On 24/01/2023 01:16, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> Not everyone pays much attention to the class(es) of RFC. I
>> could see it happening. Moreso the more the text gets close
>> to saying that discussion of x, y & z is forbidden.
> 
> But it doesn't say that. 

Sorry, I should clarify - I didn't mean that the draft
said the above, rather that the closer the draft comes
to saying the above the more it could be potentially
worrisome. The text in the draft is definitely getting
better and less worrisome though. (I still dislike the
red-flag metaphor, but that ought be fixable.)

Cheers,
S.

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