[Gendispatch] Re: [procon] dispatching draft-carpenter-rfc7221bis

[Barry Leiba <[e-mail]>]

Indeed: this is why my method of adopting documents is to say
something like, "From the discussion so far it looks like we have
consensus to use this document as a starting point for further
development.  If anyone objects to adopting this as our starting
point, please say so, and explain why, by <date>."

There's no voting there, just a call for issues to be considered.
There are almost always none once we get to that point.

Barry

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 4:52 AM Michael Richardson
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     >> None of that section is new.  Maybe you dislike the wording, but the question
>     >> is: do you agree that there is a problem?
>
>     > As so often, there may be a problem, but that would not be with the
>     > process, but with the lack of *applying* the process (including the
>     > choice of the author team).
>
> When it comes to adopting documents, the WG chairs are 100% responsible.
> It's fiat.  THIS PROCESS IS NOT WELL KNOWN.
> Instead, we have a poorly understand (by WG chairs) cargo culting of asking
> people if they support a document.  It does not produce good results, and
> somehoe turns into voting.
> I've even had chairs ask why I didn't +1 my own document.
> (In 2020 several people were surprised that the above was NOT a documented process)
>
>     > I generally knee-jerk when someone argues for replacing a process when
>     > the real problem is that the process isn’t even used (or known!) in the
>     > first place.
>
> We are very much in agreement here.
>
> The choices going forward are:
> 1) leave it to chairs fiat, but make it clearer that a WG consensus call is
>    only one process, and doing it with +1 votes is *not* rough consensus.
> 2) taking the cargo-culted process, and writing it down and not leaving it up
>    to the chairs.
> 3) something else
>
>
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