Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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Hiya,

On 06/09/2021 23:05, Jay Daley wrote:
> 7.  Stephen points out that he would be unable to discuss the FLOSS
> business model in relation to specific supply chains.
> 
> Does that capture it?
Not for me, sorry. My main point was that discussion is
needed, and #7 was one example. I didn't attempt to provide
a review of the entire draft. And I think for "dispatch"
purposes that's all that's needed for now. If/when there's
a venue for discussing the text (this list not being
that venue), I'll engage.

Cheers,
S.