Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 6:30 PM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:

> Finding the right balance on the wording of this issue is something I
> expect the discussion once dispatched will need to do.
>
>  From what the lawyers tell me, I believe this kind of discussion does
> head towards incurring significant risks.  So having guidelines that
> help us stay on the right side of that seems desirable to me.

Not convinced this paragraph should be included, but I’d add that it would
also seem to apply to arguments arguing for continuing to define extensions
for older protocol versions (e.g. HTTP/1.1 or TLS 1.2)

thanks,
Rob

>
> Yours,
> Joel
>
> On 11/6/2021 9:07 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joel,
> >
> > This paragraph stood out to me in this document.
> >
> >     There should be no agreement among participants to implement or to
> >     adhere to IETF standards, or any discussions as to when participants
> >     will begin to offer products conforming to IETF standards.
> >
> > In groups I am in, WG participants pretty routinely discuss shipping
> > timelines and often try to coordinate changes so that they happen
> > at similar times (e.g., disabling SHA-1, rolling out new code that
> > can interop).
> >
> > -Ekr
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 8:37 AM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com
> > <mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     This is a significant revision of the draft on IETF antitrust
> >     guidelines.  We tried to address what we heard in the previous
> >     feedback,
> >     and tightened the language related to legal issues.
> >
> >     Chairs, if it is possible I would like to present this for
> dispatching
> >     at the upcoming session.
> >
> >     Thank you,
> >     Joel
> >
> >
> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >     Subject: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
> >     Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 08:15:16 -0700
> >     From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> >     Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> >     To: i-d-announce@ietf.org <mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org>
> >
> >
> >     A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >     directories.
> >
> >
> >               Title           : Antitrust Guidelines for IETF Particiants
> >               Authors         : Joel M. Halpern
> >                                 Brad Biddle
> >                                 Jay Daley
> >              Filename        : draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
> >              Pages           : 8
> >              Date            : 2021-11-03
> >
> >     Abstract:
> >          This document provides guidance for IETF participants on
> compliance
> >          with antitrust laws and how to reduce antitrust risks in
> connection
> >          with IETF activities.
> >
> >
> >     The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/ <
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/>
> >
> >     There is also an HTML version available at:
> >
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> >     <
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> >
> >
> >     A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01
> >     <
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01>
> >
> >
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