IETF Logo Mail Archive

[Gendispatch] Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-00.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 06 July 2024 20:59 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B536C151717 for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.106
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d_b2SyW8dn0J for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 962C7C14F60D for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oo1-xc2c.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5b9778bb7c8so1490527eaf.3 for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1720299578; x=1720904378; darn=ietf.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fk1vcP3jcWFlEFVnFnAIEY0WJEldRXCcIeUPbiADblI=; b=RIe9/nSYwS963X6k/EEb3ydCnJKinfPmtj2tcX/O04a2mf1tSkU2/J7AVjHlP8tB7f YJLWz5NLYHJditZ7lj3t5rHhKAAQ3/DltkVccOmxCZ/E26XvOhDhR9rnvQ4m3PbbE/7D P1IW/A4JrXnKwhXKzEkwbzlbOdZdsXWiw2qKYWNNmBGL4q4bHIqyxOsuVB0BqwuWUXCS Pu6AH0yd3rFmAroMs8TJ/4XKgIbaH4kQJLXfIQuOv0u9y4V1Er0WVyy7FQPoCDD5MQ6P yTZ+nxL3HhRhD4poAz4QLkHPnRvvIp932SnFVKGjr2FYa0HzkZlKqJBtyoFpeM8c4nsk s7jQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1720299578; x=1720904378; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fk1vcP3jcWFlEFVnFnAIEY0WJEldRXCcIeUPbiADblI=; b=ck+gG4V4W0xsH2GM5A+GPnPre3xBB9Mxr2Xpa0uyTuXehfCYmIsYkJfU6kCrb7byxn 7VHZ7iOCTP9hKVAFgKIW6tWqJWTeU3abtPM75MF8A4UC6ADztp5yyRjsbkEmv1MiX8DL Jp6znhIVdndi8PrCDW4K30PpMYa6552pKP1OoHDaTOVeHwK0DrLlCIF9dAd5B1RGxNZS m0d8jm79/GpDwtge4javtRaf/UdVYdAySaNGw78qey0z0ZbwT9YsJfk3Dv/9zxOiDW+c QTm1O3lsCWV11Fds7x8/BHmi5iACWzGEPXfvR5rJYm6VRqwJzyQNRZXArPhId2rPfUFd MzLA==
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCU/0dr2r7XsuiV4aUwG7bVTIWHrBhtN+rwyheYaOqTtzXFUQq6cCVaFLeTtsctyN4ZLuHDYDn/K51HpM2E95pX7qIF2yQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwTfSj6T/Du9eGHQQ8viC5Tr4AxLaFSfqOJz1h0/bq6nNQWvSrA rgS4NTVRpw46W8gUJjUxUVKj8j8ct1sRxMTtk+HIcKUBFNCWe73YJCPQs63Y
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF9Xk1zNxB+c+WQg1vx2lOHIB4u9hjShmiA2AMooVjK+4SIkf323RAkCNX5xw18eWHZPeZheA==
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6358:579e:b0:1a6:7e01:e4f4 with SMTP id e5c5f4694b2df-1aa98c7b991mr780519355d.28.1720299578260; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:59:38 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ?IPV6:2404:4400:541d:a600:44b7:2c2e:2bc6:8707? ([2404:4400:541d:a600:44b7:2c2e:2bc6:8707]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c99aa1a24fsm5461445a91.53.2024.07.06.13.59.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Jul 2024 13:59:37 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <30540905-9831-43b8-9e5b-905cf5b23b53@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2024 08:59:33 +1200
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
To: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>, "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
References: <171994020676.677413.13865899091465186341@dt-datatracker-5f88556585-g8gwj> <BL0PR05MB5316E60A31B203A28C03B954AEDC2@BL0PR05MB5316.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <94664772-6889-4083-b795-a15266872c90@gmail.com> <09f701dacdfb$6cb4e210$461ea630$@olddog.co.uk> <LV8PR11MB853695793E732D25A064EB21B5DE2@LV8PR11MB8536.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <BL0PR05MB5316E775C9997E4A12A6BFE9AEDE2@BL0PR05MB5316.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> <CALaySJKz5mmMRhRnB0QtvT7Ka-+sj4bCw6fMwHtC7Zz+PKkuMg@mail.gmail.com> <8AA0FE6E-43FC-4562-B5E6-D3013F949F03@brianrosen.net> <1f20992a-0baf-42e8-9dda-c6aea847151d@gmail.com> <63954411-685A-4BB2-8014-18D921860150@akamai.com>
Content-Language: en-US
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <63954411-685A-4BB2-8014-18D921860150@akamai.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID-Hash: CS4327SZLELA6M5C4QMQHSXQT4W5PADI
X-Message-ID-Hash: CS4327SZLELA6M5C4QMQHSXQT4W5PADI
X-MailFrom: brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc4
Precedence: list
Subject: [Gendispatch] Re: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-00.txt
List-Id: General Area Dispatch <gendispatch.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/czCJRbHy-LgauAv2MDhIGRHqLGg>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gendispatch>
List-Help: <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:gendispatch-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:gendispatch@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gendispatch-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gendispatch-leave@ietf.org>

On 07-Jul-24 03:18, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> But it took a very long time just to migrate
>> the Tao to web-only. It's harder than I would have expected.
> 
> In my view, as one the major participants in the final revisions of the Tao, that's because many in the IETF were emotionally attached to it.  A brand new document (or web page) would not carry that baggage.

True. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try again; but we should learn from past failures and difficulties.

Re the past failure, somewhat ironically, the IETF site seems to have recently lost the record of the ION experiment, but it is in the usual place for lost pages:

https://web.archive.org/web/20230422021221/https://www.ietf.org/old/2009/u/iesgcontent/ions.html

     Brian

v2.46.0 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status