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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Pete Resnick <resnick=40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, GENDISPATCH List <gendispatch@ietf.org>, Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-00.txt
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> Well, that just says this document is needed due to "growing concern in the community". Fine. I don't think it's needed (and I seem to be one of the only people that reads any of these documents), but most of what's in it is true.

This is IMO one of those issues where IETF community consensus needs to be developed and show us a path forward. My understanding of the process as it stands now (and Lars can correct me) is GenDispatch will either dispatch it to a particular area or WG or to do it in the Gen Area (or take no action I suppose).

Jason

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