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Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 20 October 2021 19:14 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
CC: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, "gendispatch@ietf.org" <gendispatch@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-rsalz-termlimits
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  *   think part of Barry's point is that we have a supply problem: not enough good candidates.

I don’t that point is proven.  I could agree that we don’t have enough candidates, but whether they are good or not is unknown.


  *   If you want new blood and not end up with incompetent leadership, you have to somehow solve that issue

It’s not clear that we will end up with “incompetent” leadership. It’s not even clear what that means, beyond “I know it when I see it.” It is also not clear if having “new blood” is worse than the current path.

I am opposed to making it “strong guidance” to NomCom because nobody is incentivized to find additional candidates.

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