Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 07 April 2021 04:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org
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On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 03:15:16PM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote:
> The opposing argument is that the ietf@ietf.org list is such a terrible
> place that it is not driving cohesion, and is actively harmful.

You keep saying this.  The subtext I hear is that you find specific
individuals (or what they say) harmful.  There isn't a very large
plausible list of such individuals for you to so dislike, so I think
this is pretty close to a personal attack on them (us??).  Please tell
me I'm wrong.

So this is how it is.  Attacking a group of unidentified participants is
OK.  Naming the people one is attacking, is not OK.  Except that if the
group of unidentified participants being attacked is small enough and
easy enough for anyone who cares to to identify, then that has to be
violating the spirit of the rules if not the letter of the rules.  And
also probably committing libel.  Once people start losing jobs or
business, we'll have several participants here having incurred civil
liability for libel, to say nothing of the IESG and ISOC -- let's not
even think of reaching that stage.

Henceforth I will call out every instance of name calling, implicit or
explicit, that I find on these threads.  I've already started, as you've
seen.  I've had enough.  No more implying that Viktor, Dan, myself, or
any others who disagree with you are bigots, racists, or whatever.  Stop
it.

No more bullying.  No more name calling.  No more intimidation.

Nico
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