[Gendispatch] Re: I-D Action: draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01.txt
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 08 August 2024 21:52 UTC
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Subject: [Gendispatch] Re: I-D Action: draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01.txt
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Hi,
Many improvements in this version, thanks.
One suggestion: although the draft is mainly specific to IETF experiments, I think the following paragraph needs to be tuned to give it global effect:
>> An IETF protocol experiment must not harm the Internet or interfere with established network operations. It must be conducted in a carefully controlled manner (for example, using a limited domain [RFC8799]). Furthermore, it must use protocol identifiers and code points that do not conflict with deployments of standardized protocols or other experiments.
I propose simply deleting "IETF" from this paragraph. We should write this rule to apply to all experiments. We have no protocol police, and therefore no experimental protocol police, but at least we should assert this. (After all, the citation you use is not an IETF document anyway.)
Brian
On 09-Aug-24 07:58, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> Internet-Draft draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01.txt is now available.
>
> Title: IETF Experiments
> Authors: Ron Bonica
> Adrian Farrel
> Name: draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01.txt
> Pages: 7
> Dates: 2024-08-08
>
> Abstract:
>
> This document describes IETF protocol experiments and provides
> guidelines for the publication of Experimental RFCs.
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp/
>
> There is also an HTML version available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01.html
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-01
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- [Gendispatch] Re: I-D Action: draft-bonica-gendis… Brian E Carpenter
- [Gendispatch] Re: I-D Action: draft-bonica-gendis… Adrian Farrel