Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 26 February 2021 09:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF
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Hi, Lars,

On 26/2/21 05:34, Lars Eggert wrote:
> On 2021-2-25, at 21:34, Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote:
>> On 25/2/21 16:24, Salz, Rich wrote:
>>> of git/github does represent yet another barrier.
>>> Nothing requires anyone to use Git or GitHub.
>>
>> If a WG somewhat requires use of github, then the barrier is there.
> 
> It may be a barrier to some. It may also *lower* the barrier for others. It's a tradeoff.

That's essentially what I tried to note.

FWIW, I only had one experience of github usage in an IETF wg, and the 
result wasn't probably the best -- discussion split in to different 
places, some huge monolithic pull requests, and other things. -- of 
course, this doesn't talk about the tool, but rather about how it was 
used.  -- Glad it worked differently for QUIC!

Out of curiosity: has the experience been documented such that e.g. 
other groups could learn/reproduce the adjustments you referred to?

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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