Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification - draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04.txt

> On 9/09/2021, at 6:50 PM, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thanks for the suggestions. Please see https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/6 for a PR that rolls those in.
> 
> On 2021-9-8, at 23:41, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
>>  Because an SAA serves at the discretion of the IETF Chair - even if
>>  the IETF Chair is not otherwise involved in the operation of the SAA
>>  team - any SAA decision could be appealed to the IAB.  The IAB shall
>>  then review the situation and attempt to resolve it in a manner of
>>  its own choosing.
>> 
>> Why are we varying from the normal appeal process here?  One reason to
>> keep the IETF Chair out of the operation is exactly so the first
>> appeal *can* go to the IETF Chair, as it normally would.  Then to the
>> plenary IESG, and then to the IAB.  I don't see a good reason to
>> change that process.
> 
> This was also brought up by Rob during his AD review. This text is based on the current text in BCP45, which says:
> 
>   The IETF Chair, the IETF Executive Director, or a sergeant-at-arms
>   appointed by the Chair is empowered to restrict posting by a person,
>   or of a thread, when the content is inappropriate and represents a
>   pattern of abuse.  They are encouraged to take into account the
>   overall nature of the postings by an individual and whether
>   particular postings are an aberration or typical.  Complaints
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^
>   regarding their decisions should be referred to the IAB.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I assumed that "complaints" were supposed to be appeals, because otherwise it's undefined what the IAB was supposed to do with these complaints.
> 
> I'm fully OK with using the regular appeals process here, but since it would be a change from the original BCP45 and the intent was to do a minimal bis, I didn't make that change.

As an aside - In case anyone has forgotten, the IETF Executive Director (me) can no longer do this as per RFC 8717.

Jay 

> 
> Thanks,
> Lars
> 
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