Re: [Gendispatch] Academia (Re: Diversity and Inclusiveness in the IETF)

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Thu, 25 February 2021 06:02 UTC

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On 2/24/2021 9:56 PM, Theresa Enghardt wrote:

> Another way for academics to contribute is to implement (part of) a
> draft as an academic exercise, or have a student implement it as a
> project, and then give feedback to the Working Group. We have had
> multiple such implementations in TAPS. Even if the implementation is
> most likely not going to be widely deployed, and even if development may
> not continue beyond the duration of a project, it is still helpful input
> for the Working Group. And for the academic, it gives the implementer a
> relevant and interesting project to work on, the implementer gets some
> experience with IETF technology, and they get to make professional
> connections, which can result in further collaboration. Definitely a
> win-win, and something that I've seen happen at IETF hackathons.

Yes, there are many ways academics can contribute. Look for example at 
the work Robin Marx did on structured QUIC logs formats and 
visualization tools. Part of his PhD, but also a very valuable 
contribution to the working group, with many implementation 
standardizing on the log format that he proposed and running his tools. 
That was great.

-- Christian Huitema