IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Gendispatch] revised

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Tue, 23 February 2021 05:28 UTC

Return-Path: <fgont@si6networks.com>
X-Original-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815FB3A2660 for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:28:37 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.9
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2su8rzmmlQK for <gendispatch@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:28:35 -0800 (PST)
Received: from fgont.go6lab.si (fgont.go6lab.si [IPv6:2001:67c:27e4::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D15503A265E for <gendispatch@ietf.org>; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:28:16 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:2b9:4897:2501:35bb:1428] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:2b9:4897:2501:35bb:1428]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fgont.go6lab.si (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 22EAB28012C; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:28:12 +0000 (UTC)
To: Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>, gendispatch@ietf.org
References: <A531C377-33A4-4138-BE28-788FF5FE267E@sn3rd.com> <6F387137-46E4-4CDE-9BCA-CAED684D3AA1@sn3rd.com> <32149fda-1d17-c167-1699-43ed3c02f516@si6networks.com> <b6bd3762-8a57-e843-208f-9a07747d0fbd@network-heretics.com>
From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
Message-ID: <91a88d0f-7ec3-0b14-558a-cb761cff33bc@si6networks.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 00:51:39 -0300
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <b6bd3762-8a57-e843-208f-9a07747d0fbd@network-heretics.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/nRP1p9ItPn92uDpy7gMRZu9XaGg>
Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] revised
X-BeenThere: gendispatch@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: General Area Dispatch <gendispatch.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gendispatch/>
List-Post: <mailto:gendispatch@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch>, <mailto:gendispatch-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 05:28:38 -0000

On 23/2/21 00:30, Keith Moore wrote:
> On 2/22/21 7:29 PM, Fernando Gont wrote:
> 
>> Coming up with a definition of what we mean by diversity or 
>> inclusiveness is not something that requires a lot of time -- it 
>> simply requires that we acknowledge what we have in mind, and that we 
>> accept that the topic has multiple axes.
> 
> I guess I would also say that it's not necessary to argue about or reach 
> consensus on a definition of "inclusiveness" or "diversity", in order to 
> recognize the various kinds of barriers that deter participation in 
> IETF, and to discuss potential ways of addressing some of those 
> barriers.   

Indeed. For the most part, I just didn't want the work on one very 
specific issue to be portrayed as work on the larger picture.



> Let's not get hung up on the meanings of words; let's 
> instead discuss the actual issues.

Agreed.

-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email