Re: [Gendispatch] How I spend my time as an AD

[Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>]

> Maybe, in the absence of the IESG supporting the working group’s suggestion of holding a BoF, we could ask for a mailing list for the topic and so declutter the working group?

Why? This is clearly within scope at [e-mail] and should concern everybody interested in the welfare of the IETF as a whole.

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

On 17-Oct-23 21:59, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> Thanks Shuping.
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> For what it is worth, I am grateful to those ADs who have reported information about how they have spent their time.
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> I am reading it as it comes in and thinking thoughts, but I’m not sure that there is enough data to make any conclusions (well, I am sure that there isn’t enough data).
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> There is more or less enough data to ask some follow-up questions, perhaps suggesting breaking down the larger tasks a bit. But I’d prefer to wait a bit longer before doing that because I am pretty sure that AD time is not consistent week on week – averages over time will be far more useful.
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> I do appreciate that tracking time is a pain, especially if it isn’t part of your normal work pattern. So I’m doubly thankful to all of those who have contributed information, and I hope they will feel able to continue even if only sporadically.
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> A question for Shuping and Martin V: continued discussion of this topic would appear to be outside the scope of the working group.
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> While it is inevitable that some discussion of the merits of a proposal brought
> to GENDISPATCH are necessary in order to evaluate the appropriate disposition of
> the proposal, GENDISPATCH is not chartered to actually do the work proposed.
> As part of the dispatch, a venue for further discussion should be identified.
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> I have been holding back from entering into further discussion of the topic Rich and I floated as NEWTON [1] because that seemed like a violation of the GenDispatch mailing list.
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> Maybe, in the absence of the IESG supporting the working group’s suggestion of holding a BoF, we could ask for a mailing list for the topic and so declutter the working group?
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> Cheers,
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> Adrian
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bofreq-farrel-now-exactly-what-are-they-spending-time-on-newton/
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> *From:*Gendispatch <[e-mail]> *On Behalf Of *Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
> *Sent:* 17 October 2023 09:38
> *To:* Salz, Rich <rsalz=[e-mail]>; Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail]>
> *Cc:* Martin Duke <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]; The IESG <[e-mail]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendispatch] How I spend my time as an AD
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> Hi,
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> I found these information are very valuable, so I made this summary of the messages and data that had been collected so far.
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> 40h workweek
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> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/N6P3KZu6YlepybQtma_D21CSLuI/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/N6P3KZu6YlepybQtma_D21CSLuI/>_
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> _https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-notes/blob/main/SEC-AD-role-perspective.md <https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-notes/blob/main/SEC-AD-role-perspective.md>_
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> *From:*Gendispatch [mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>] *On Behalf Of *Salz, Rich
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:40 AM
> *To:* Warren Kumari <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; Roman Danyliw <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> *Cc:* Martin Duke <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>; The IESG <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gendispatch] How I spend my time as an AD
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>   * I'm getting somewhat tired of tracking this, and am not sure if people are actually using / reviewing the data.
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> Had the BoF happened, the desired outcome would have been answers to those questions, and a common mechanism that was acceptable.
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> I am enjoying the irony.  I am sure that you are not.
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