Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 03 April 2021 03:19 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:19:39 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:07 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob,
>
> I hope nobody will flame you even a little bit, but I feel we won't
> readily find consensus to do this. Whereas I strongly support the concept
> of dedicated lists, I really don't see how we can manage without a
> catch-all.


That might have been true when I joined the IETF list in 2005 or so (of
course many others have been around longer than that), but I've had it.


> What we do need to do is to make sure that the regime for the catch-all
> list is generally acceptable and generally respected. How about "Make
> people *want* to be on the ietf@ list" as a goal?
>

I agree with this email:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/sYAyAB4z_V71fYFhJ3Wc1_GoPic/

If we did drop the list, I fear that *this* list (gendispatch) would soon
> become the catch-all. We've already seen warning signs of that.
>

That would be bad, but this list is at least structured such that you have
to propose some action, like I am doing. The general IETF list provides a
venue to carry on about almost anything.

I think the issue is that some are using the name of the IETF, and the
valuable engineering work that many participants do, to capture an audience.

thanks,
Rob