Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt
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It's been a while, so apologies if I've forgotten some of
the argument but this still seems to be based on a
counterfactual assumption that every IETF participant has
to care about antitrust.

For example, as an academic I don't need to and won't avoid
"red flag" topics as suggested here. I wouldn't normally be
that interested in discussing such things but if I saw some
business arrangement between commercial entities could be a
relevant bad thing in this context I would and will feel free
to call that out. Accordingly, I'll argue as strongly as I
can that we do not enshrine any concept that there can ever
be "red flag" topics that cannot be discussed.

The authors need to take into account that not every IETF
participant is employed by an entity for whom this kind of
legislation is highly or at all relevant. And those who do
are presumably well warned ahead of time by their well paid
in-house lawyers or similar, so overall I don't see much
benefit in progressing this work. (Having said that I now
wonder if I had the same opinion last time this came up:-)

S.

On 22/10/2022 19:08, Joel Halpern wrote:
> This is a comprehensive rewrite (largely by Brad) to reflect both the
>  community feedback and advice from lawyers.
> 
> Please read and comment,
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:     I-D Action:
> draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt Date:     Sat, 22 Oct 2022
> 09:12:18 -0700 From:     internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.
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> 
> Title : Antitrust Guidelines for IETF Particiants Authors : Joel M.
> Halpern Brad Biddle Jay Daley Filename :
> draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.txt Pages : 7 Date :
> 2022-10-22
> 
> Abstract: This document provides guidance for IETF participants on
> compliance with antitrust laws and how to reduce antitrust risks in
> connection with IETF activities.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust/
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>  There is also an HTML version available at: 
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03.html
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>  A diff from the previous version is available at: 
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-03
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