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This is because I believe that having a large set of BCP= process documents does not make a good/easy end user interface for the con= sumers of this material (i.e., authors & IETF participants). * I think that there is some useful information in this document, and g= etting it published somewhere would probably be helpful to the wider commun= ity. Hence, my suggestion: (i) go straight to a 4-week IETF last call of the doc (if = you can find a willing AD) (ii) publish the agreed resultant text on wiki page. (iii) Or maybe publish on a WIP wiki page, and then last call= a 1-page doc containing a link to the wiki page content, and review and ac= hieve consensus on the content on the wiki. I=92m sure that some folks may be appalled at my suggestions of just ignori= ng the IETF process and dispatch outcomes, but shrug, you=92re welcome. :-) Kind regards, Rob From: Adrian Farrel Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2025 at 09:12 To: gendispatch@ietf.org Subject: [Gendispatch] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendis= patch-exp-06.txt Hi GenDispatch, It's been a while since this work was "dispatched" to a new mailing list wi= th the long-term dispatch outcome of "AD sponsored RFC or a wiki". Over the months that followed, we have revised the draft a number of times = following reviews and discussions on experiment-guidance@ietf.org, and we h= ave picked up some extra material (especially wrt Operational Consideration= s). At this point, with what the authors consider to be a complete document, we= 'd like to come back to the dispatch outcomes and ask whether this group ha= s further advice on "wiki or RFC". We can then bully the responsible AD to = do something. Cheers, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 22 July 2025 22:01 To: Adrian Farrel ; Ron Bonica Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt A new version of Internet-Draft draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt has bee= n successfully submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp Revision: 06 Title: IETF Experiments Date: 2025-07-22 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 10 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.t= xt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp/ HTML: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.h= tml HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bonica-gendispatch-ex= p Diff: https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=3Ddraft-bonica-gendispa= tch-exp-06 Abstract: This document describes IETF protocol experiments and provides guidelines for the publication of Experimental RFCs. 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Hi Adrian,

Annoyingly for you, I=92m not going to directly answer your question (becau= se I don=92t know the answer), but wanted to say:

  • I=92m a s= trong proponent of documenting more operational practice on wiki pages, if = they can be put somewhere sensible, and have owners who keep them up to date.  This is because I believe that= having a large set of BCP process documents does not make a good/easy end = user interface for the consumers of this material (i.e., authors & IETF= participants).
  • I think that there is some useful information= in this document, and getting it published somewhere would probably be hel= pful to the wider community.

 

Hence, my suggestion:

(i)         =          go straight to a 4-week IETF last call of the doc (if you c= an find a willing AD)

(ii)         = ;       publish the agreed resultant text on wiki page.<= /span>

(iii)        &nbs= p;      Or maybe publish on a WIP wiki page, and then last call a 1= -page doc containing a link to the wiki page content, and review and achiev= e consensus on the content on the wiki.

 

I=92m sure that some folks may be appalled at my suggestions of jus= t ignoring the IETF process and dispatch outcomes, but shrug, you=92re welc= ome. :-)

Kind regards,
Rob

 

 

From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2025 at 09:12
To: gendispatch@ietf.org <gendispatch@ietf.org>
Subject: [Gendispatch] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bonica= -gendispatch-exp-06.txt

Hi GenDispatch,

It's been a while since this work was "dispatched" to a new maili= ng list with the long-term dispatch outcome of "AD sponsored RFC or a = wiki".

Over the months that followed, we have revised the draft a number of times = following reviews and discussions on experiment-guidance@ietf.org, and we h= ave picked up some extra material (especially wrt Operational Consideration= s).

At this point, with what the authors consider to be a complete document, we= 'd like to come back to the dispatch outcomes and ask whether this group ha= s further advice on "wiki or RFC". We can then bully the responsi= ble AD to do something.

Cheers,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Sent: 22 July 2025 22:01
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@junip= er.net>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
A new version of Internet-Draft draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt has bee= n
successfully submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:     draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp
Revision: 06
Title:    IETF Experiments
Date:     2025-07-22
Group:    Individual Submission
Pages:    10
URL:      https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.txt
Status:   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp/
HTML:     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06.html HTMLized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bonica-gendispatch-exp
Diff:     https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=3Ddraft-bonica-gendispatch-exp-06=

Abstract:

   This document describes IETF protocol experiments and provides=
   guidelines for the publication of Experimental RFCs.



The IETF Secretariat


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