Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-ecahc-moderation-00.txt
Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> Thu, 20 July 2023 01:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-ecahc-moderation-00.txt
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> On Jul 19, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote: > > It doesn't sound like anyone is comfortable hiring such a staff into the LLC, akin to the tools team. But, if the IETF did hire such a person, the first thing they would do is a lot of data gathering. This draft has jumped right to enforcement, when that is only one part of building a healthy community. A Community Manager would also look for ways to make the defaults better. It's not clear to me that the authors have consulted with such a professional. I think a 1-2 meeting consulting engagement, and a report might be better. When I was IETF Chair, some Mozilla people helped me, the sergeants-at-arms, the ombudsteam, and some other IETF leadership people connect with the person who was Mozilla’s community manager at the time. He attended two IETF meetings, reviewed some of the RFCs, policies, and procedures that we had related to conduct, and provided advice about improving the quality of interactions in the community. This was a precursor to the efforts that followed related to moderation of ietf@ietf.org <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>. You can see in the note at https://github.com/ietf/Moderators that the work was inspired by materials and experiences from a number of other technical communities. I read Valerie Aurora’s book and some of the other Frame Shift materials in that process. Alissa > > thanks, > Rob > > -- > Gendispatch mailing list > Gendispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gendispatch
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Jari Arkko
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for dr… John Levine