Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sat, 03 April 2021 20:29 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 13:29:41 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Ending ietf@ietf.org
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On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 1:21 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
> While I don't at all agree with ekr as to how bad the current
> state of affairs with ietf@ietf is...
>

I think people usually post that irritating picture of the plane with
bullet holes at this point. :)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias>


> On 03/04/2021 21:03, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > - Much more active moderation onietf@ietf.org, with the intent of
> > significantly reducing the level of acrimony and endless arguments.
>
> I do think the above would be a good thing - not moderation
> to censor but to encourage better discussion.
>

It wouldn't be censorship--people are free to post their thoughts
elsewhere. They're not entitled to the IETF list's audience.


> Mind you, it's hard to think of a less appealing task to
> ask someone to take on in an IETF context, so I don't
> know if that's really feasible;-)
>

Yeah, I don't oppose efforts to make things better, along the lines of what
EKR and Eliot suggest. But I am skeptical that anyone will want to do this
task, and I am not sure what's worth saving, now that a lot of
the technical / last-call discussion has been carved off. That's how I
arrived at my so-far unpopular proposal.

thanks,
Rob