Re: [Gendispatch] draft charter text: terminology-related WG

[Francesca Palombini <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

(Just top posting on Keith's email but not a direct answer to him). 

Just wanted to remind that as a conclusion of our several meetings on this topic, we had the following as well [1]: 

There was rough support in both meetings for recommending a broader 
    discussion and resulting document on inclusivity beyond the terminology, 
    but there were many concerns for how to structure such work in a WG and 
    have it be successful. Several suggestions were made to have the IAB 
    sponsor such work as part of their program on "Diversity, Inclusion, and 
    Growth". The thought was that perhaps a discussion there could generate 
    a path forward for IETF work.

This is a parallel work from the one discussed in this thread, which is about comments about the charter for the wg on terminology, but I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware that this was part of our conclusion.

Thanks,
Francesca

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/iHDh7KBVRvGB2EWKYYh11LjP95E/ 

On 16/02/2021, 17:32, "Gendispatch on behalf of Keith Moore" <[e-mail] on behalf of [e-mail]> wrote:

    On 2/16/21 1:37 AM, Jay Daley wrote:

    > - Yes I believe that avoiding a few words will make the IETF 
    > meaningfully more inclusive and diverse. 

    IMO there's nothing wrong with do so - we should absolutely do that.   
    But it's a drop in the ocean, not a reason to pat ourselves on the back, 
    and not something that should be seen as a "first step" that might 
    actually delay progress on far more important aspects of the problem, 
    ESPECIALLY if that first step is to be undertaken by a working group 
    that will take far longer than necessary.

    But let me try to be even clearer - trying to define inclusion and 
    diversity only along very narrow pigeonholing lines is harmful to 
    inclusion and diversity.

    Keith


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