Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification - draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04.txt

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 10 September 2021 20:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] New Version Notification - draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04.txt
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On 10-Sep-21 23:01, Barry Leiba wrote:
> That works for me, Lars, and thanks.
> 
> I see Brian's point about Gen AD instead of IETF Chair, but I don't
> agree with it here, because the SAAs are explicitly appointed by the
> IETF Chair, not related to the Gen Area.

You're correct. There's still the corner case where the IETF Chair is
conflicted - for example, if the message(s) objected to by the SAAs
made allegations about the IETF Chair themself. Probably another AD
should be the first recourse in that case.

   Brian

> 
> Barry
> 
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 3:11 AM Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a proposed change to use the normal RFC2026 appeals process in https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/7/files. This is the current change:
>>
>> --- a/draft-eggert-bcp45bis.md
>> +++ b/draft-eggert-bcp45bis.md
>> @@ -192,8 +192,8 @@ manner.
>>
>>  Because an SAA serves at the discretion of the IETF Chair - even if the IETF
>>  Chair is not otherwise involved in the operation of the SAA team - any SAA
>> -decision could be appealed to the IAB. The IAB shall then review the situation
>> -and attempt to resolve it in a manner of its own choosing.
>> +decision can be appealed to the IETF Chair, per {{!RFC2026}}. Decisions by the
>> +IETF Chair can be appealed to the IESG as whole, again per {{!RFC2026}}.
>>
>>  # Security Considerations
>>
>> Please let me know if this expresses what is desired?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lars
>>