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Thu, 9 Oct 2025 16:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: AoYLhHFsneJB Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2025 21:11:58 +0100 From: "Martin Thomson" To: "John R Levine" , "Eric Rescorla" Message-Id: <6bbec415-a93a-4697-aa84-3de8452a6ed6@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <44eba586-d226-dc88-80c2-60c1e089134e@taugh.com> References: <20251008215832.A5D5FE0AD4C6@ary.qy> <44eba586-d226-dc88-80c2-60c1e089134e@taugh.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: 77NRVLRJL2JDLWYUYCBPN4ZOQCYAO63T X-Message-ID-Hash: 77NRVLRJL2JDLWYUYCBPN4ZOQCYAO63T X-MailFrom: mt@lowentropy.net X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: gendispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6 Precedence: list Subject: =?utf-8?q?=5BGendispatch=5D_Re=3A_New_draft=3A_draft-rescorla-auto-minutes-0?= =?utf-8?q?0?= List-Id: General Area Dispatch Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, at 19:18, John R Levine wrote: > I have found that there is considerable value in > concise minutes that just record the decisions. Perhaps without making > any formal process changes we could try to encourage chairs to do that, > keeping the transcript for anyone who wonders about the details of the > discussion. This is indeed most valuable. However, in the moment, it can be difficult to know what statements will turn out to be pivotal and the additional brain power required to maintain the necessary state to recover those critical moments and turn them into concise minutes is considerable. This is why we see a lot of minutes being closer to a transcript. It's simply easier to do that than it is to attempt to summarize. And we see valuable contributors being effectively taken entirely out of action in order to produce those minutes. Hence the proposal. The transcript can be subject to post-hoc processing to recover key points and decisions. Sure, it contains a lot of extra stuff, but it ensures that nothing is missed. As a practical matter, chairs often approve transcript-style minutes unmodified. Is this a failing on their part? What remediation would you suggest for such laxity?