Re: [Gendispatch] Updated draft: Policy experts are IETF stakeholders

[Joel Halpern <[e-mail]>]

Looking at the draft, I was struck that it goes to some trouble to make 
clear that if policy folks are to participate effectively, they need to 
also understand the technology.  The point I take away from that is that 
the obligation is on both sides, both the policy-oriented participant 
and the community, to help make that education happen.

Having said taht, I have trouble figuring out what to do with the 
draft.  Not clear how or where it can usefully progress, for all that I 
found it interesting and informative in pulling together disparate aspects.

Yours,

Joel

On 6/13/2023 6:46 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>
> Hiya,
>
> I just read the draft and recalling the discussion at
> IETF-116 I fear that a message that I heard being sent from
> the mic line perhaps hasn't landed.
>
> In particular, I think a number of people said that the best
> way to ensure your favourite policy topics are considered in
> IETF work is to have someone who is playing a full and
> constructive part in that IETF work be familiar with your
> favourite policy issues. Liaising, co-ordinating and setting
> up new bodies will be nowhere near as effective.
>
> Yes, that's expensive (in time), but so is being involved in
> IETF work, so that seems fair to me fwiw.
>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
> On 13/06/2023 16:31, Stacie Hoffmann wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Many thanks to those of you who provided feedback to us on the Policy
>> Experts are IETF Stakeholders draft at the 116 Gen Dispatch meeting.
>>
>> We have uploaded a new version (see below), which we are preparing 
>> for the
>> 117 meeting and welcome further input or ideas on how to refine our 
>> problem
>> statement or scope potential solutions. In particular, we would welcome
>> specific examples of how and where policy input is working well, and
>> thoughts on a ‘landing space’ or next steps for this work.
>>
>> Please reach out to the authors directly with comments or suggestions.
>>
>> Also, if anyone is interested in reviewing or contributing to this 
>> document
>> please let us know. It would be great to work with others on this.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stacie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
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>> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 10:42
>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>> draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt
>> To: Marek Blachut <[e-mail]>, Stacie Hoffmann <
>> [e-mail]>
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>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, 
>> draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Marek Blachut and posted to the
>> IETF repository.
>>
>> Name:           draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders
>> Revision:       01
>> Title:          Policy experts are IETF stakeholders
>> Document date:  2023-06-13
>> Group:          Individual Submission
>> Pages:          11
>> URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.txt 
>>
>> Status:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders/ 
>>
>> Html:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01.html 
>>
>> Htmlized:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders 
>>
>> Diff:
>> https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-hoffmann-gendispatch-policy-stakeholders-01 
>>
>>
>> Abstract:
>>     The IETF’s work has significance for wider societal, economic, and
>>     political communities, though gaps and barriers to engagement with
>>     the IETF exist for policy experts.  This informational draft
>>     introduces a problem statement and gap analysis of existing
>>     initiatives related to policy expert engagement in the IETF.  It 
>> also
>>     poses questions we hope to work through with others in the IETF
>>     community regarding how to better enable policy expert engagement in
>>     IETF standardisation, and on how we can build a culture which better
>>     supports technical and policy experts working together to develop
>>     more robust standards.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The IETF Secretariat
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