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Re: [Geopriv] The 's' in HELD

Randall Gellens <randy@qualcomm.com> Wed, 30 April 2008 17:42 UTC

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:39:17 -0700
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At 8:40 PM -0500 4/29/08, Martin Thomson wrote:

>  I missed this in the changes for -06.  Please forgive my ignorance, but
>  I wasn't there at -71 and it appears that only the conclusion was
>  captured, not the rationale.  The minutes focus on whether there should
>  be a URI scheme or not, but make what seems (to me) to be a logical
>  leap:
>
>            Question: Does this HELD: scheme require TLS? Ans: Yes. Then
>  it needs
>            to be a HELDS: scheme.
>
>  I don't believe that the letter 's' addresses "concerns over referential
>  integrity" as stated by the held-06 change-log.  So can anyone justify
>  the above statement?  Is there some IETF guideline I don't know of that
>  states that URI schemes for protocols that use TLS have an extra 's'?

My recollection is that the "referential integrity" concern regards 
using a specific scheme versus a generic scheme: with a specific 
scheme there is an explicit context that it is used to exchange 
location; with a generic one (such as 'http') this context is lost.

The 's' issue is really separate.  It was stated at the meeting that, 
because there was an initial TLS exchange, there needed to be the 
's', but this wasn't really discussed.

Personally, I see no need to have the 's', since the 's' convention 
differentiates between a protocol by itself, and the same protocol 
with an initial TLS exchange at the start.  Since there will always 
be an initial TLS exchange, there is no need for the 's', as there is 
nothing to differentiate against.

However, and again speaking personally, I can't see this as an issue 
worth fighting about :-)

-- 
Randall Gellens
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