Re: [GGIE] Draft charter Re: Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104

["Leslie Daigle" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Éric,

Thanks for the review and feedback.

To the specific point:   “a forum for coordinating the deployment, 
..” — that’s actually text pretty much straight from MBONED WG.  
I’d be afraid of just a mailing list, too — rather, we’d like to 
have regular meetings so that it’s a visible place for people working 
on technology outside of the IETF to come and talk.  E.g., those using 
WebRTC for new and interesting purposes.

Which, I’ll observe, is a different role than the v6ops WG’s focus 
on “soliciting input from network operators and identifying 
operational issues with <a specific IETF protocol>”.

Leslie.

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On 23 Apr 2019, at 18:55, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:

> Hello Leslie,
>
> Thank you for pushing this VIG forward. And, thank you as well for 
> drafting a WG charter (but do not forget to ask for a WG-forming BoF 
> for July 2019)
>
> About the charter itself, may I suggest to follow the structure of 
> V6OPS? Esp for the last bullet?
>
> Also unsure whether “a forum for coordinating the deployment, ...” 
> is accurate. If we ask for a forum, then we will get a mailing list (I 
> am afraid). Also, do we need to ‘coordinate’ ?
>
> Again, thank you for pushing video forward
>
> -éric
>
>
> From: GGIE <[e-mail]> on behalf of Leslie Daigle 
> <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 at 18:03
> To: "Holland, Jake" <[e-mail]>
> Cc: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: [GGIE] Draft charter Re: Notes and presentations -- VIG at 
> IETF 104
>
>
> Hiya,
>
> The short answer is, no, we’ve heard nothing from the ADs since we 
> had discussions in Prague. I am following up with them.
>
> In the meantime, here’s the draft charter, following our discussion 
> in the VIG Whither session in Prague.
>
> Media OPS (MOPS) WG
>
> The Media OPS Working Group is a forum for coordinating the 
> deployment, engineering, and operation of media streaming and 
> manipulation protocols and procedures in the global Internet, 
> inter-domain and single domain. In this case, media is considered to 
> include the transport of video, audio, objects and any combination 
> thereof, possibly non-sequentially. The scope is media and media 
> protocols’ interactions with the network, but not the technology of 
> control protocols or media formats.
> 
This activity will include, but not be limited to:
> – Document deployment operational gaps for video in the global 
> Internet, including last mile issues
> – Receive regular reports on the current state of the deployment of 
> media technology, and media technology industry technology 
> developments
> – Create "practice and experience" documents that capture the 
> experience of those who have deployed and are deploying various media 
> technologies.
> – Based on reports and other information, provide feedback to other 
> relevant working groups.
> – Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational 
> information to aid in operation of media technologies in the global 
> Internet
> – Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and 
> implementation advice that assists in media technology administration, 
> diagnostics, troubleshooting and deployment between/within native and 
> 
non-native environments.
> – This working group may develop requirements and assist in review 
> and feedback of documents in other working groups responsible for such 
> protocols.
>
> Thoughts welcome.
>
> Leslie.
>
> On 22 Apr 2019, at 20:25, Holland, Jake wrote:
>
> Hi Leslie,
>
>
>
> Thanks for putting this together.
>
>
>
> I was wondering whether there was any update yet on the draft charter 
> for the media ops wg we discussed in Prague?  Or any other discussions 
> that have been happening on that front?
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> From: Leslie Daigle <[e-mail]>
> Date: 2019-04-02 at 14:13
> To: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: [GGIE] Notes and presentations -- VIG at IETF 104
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks to those who were able to come out and participate in last 
> week’s Video Interest Group meetings at IETF 104!
>
> Thumbnail re-cap — there’s clear interest in some kind of 
> formalization of the activity at the IETF; people who’ve been 
> following along have been leaning towards an OPS area WG. We’ll see 
> what the ADs decide.
>
> In the meantime, you can find notes from our VIG meeting here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/20190327-video-interest-group-final/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__yana.techark.org_20190327-2Dvideo-2Dinterest-2Dgroup-2Dfinal_&d=DwMFaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=bqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&m=yzWM1kLYys21AFp28yhilNkVnuSOEkIc1hkzo5irzbE&s=7p-fG6ZisgqfPfiO7tWe9XUh3PXAHXZ2qTM3uxZljwo&e=>
>
> And presentations from Jake Holland, Sanjay Mishra and Marc 
> Cymontkowski here:
>
> https://yana.techark.org/vig-at-ietf/vig-at-ietf-104-presentations/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__yana.techark.org_vig-2Dat-2Dietf_vig-2Dat-2Dietf-2D104-2Dpresentations_&d=DwMFaQ&c=96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=bqnFROivDo_4iF8Z3R4DyNWKbbMeXr0LOgLnElT1Ook&m=yzWM1kLYys21AFp28yhilNkVnuSOEkIc1hkzo5irzbE&s=Xz5n4CSyPXoCvqT11ieXiUeCrQf9DDw0rPC-lulpGQ4&e=>
>
> (I was going to attach them, but they aren’t all small).
>
> Leslie.
>
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> Leslie Daigle
> Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises
>
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