Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request
"Huangyihong (Rachel)" <rachel.huang@huawei.com> Thu, 06 June 2019 08:22 UTC
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From: "Huangyihong (Rachel)" <rachel.huang@huawei.com>
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Thread-Topic: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request
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Subject: Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request
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Support and interested. I'm wondering whether studio video transport is also in the scope? BR, Rachel > -----Original Message----- > From: GGIE [mailto:ggie-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > emile.stephan@orange.com > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 4:09 PM > To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>; Leslie Daigle > <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com> > Cc: ggie@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request > > Hi Glenn and Leslie > > I support the BoF. > It may decide if more interop is needed on the ingest side. AFAIK, it is not in the > CDNi WG charter yet. > Wrt to the delivery, IMO, more interactions with the network is required (e.g. > at least to allow back pressure during peak of traffic). > > Regards > Emile > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : GGIE [mailto:ggie-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Holland, Jake Envoyé : > mercredi 5 juin 2019 17:16 À : Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); ggie@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request > > Hi Glenn, > > Thanks for posting this. The charter mostly looks good to me, I have a few > comments inline with [JH] (text pasted from the google docs link). > > Cheers, > Jake > > > Media OPS WG > > Internet- and Internet-protocol-delivered video/media is popular, leading to > significant technology development across industries not traditionally thought > of as Internet technology developers or operators, as well as considerable > quantities of traffic on local and transit networks. Continued development of > Internet-using technologies should be properly coordinated in order to ensure > that the existing technologies are well-utilized, and new ones are developed in > sympathy with the Internet’s core protocols and design. > > MOPS will solicit input on operational issues and practices, existing and > proposed technologies related to the deployment, engineering, and operation > of media streaming and manipulation protocols and procedures in the global > Internet, inter-domain and single domain. In this case, media is considered to > include the transport of video, audio, objects and any combination thereof, > possibly non-sequentially. The scope is media and media protocols’ > interactions with the network, but not the technologies of control protocols or > media formats. > > The goals of mops are: > 1. Solicit input from network operators and users to identify > operational issues with media delivery in and across networks, and > determine solutions or workarounds to those issues. > > 2. Solicit discussion and documentation of the issues and opportunities > media acquisition and delivery and of the resulting innovations. > > [JH] I'm confused on this one. I think at very least it's missing "in" > between "opportunities" and "media". But there might be a better > way to phrase this overall, I'll propose one if I think of a > suggestion. > [JH] I think "media acquisition" needs a definition. Web search of > this term seems to refer to obtaining intellectual property > rights for particular properties; I'm not quite sure what the > intent is here, but I suspect not that. > > 3. Operational solutions for identified issues should be developed in > mops and documented in informational or BCP drafts. > > 4. Document operational requirements for media acquisition and delivery > > 5. Develop mechanisms and procedures for sharing operational information > to aid in operation of media technologies in the global Internet > > 6. Develop tools, extend protocols and provide operational and > implementation advice that assists in media technology administration, > diagnostics, troubleshooting and deployment between/within native and > non-native environments. > > These documents should document media operational experience, including > global Internet, inter-domain and within-domain operations. > [JH] Maybe "should address" or "should cover", instead of "these documents > should document"? > > Media operational and deployment issues with specific protocols or > technologies (such as Applications, Transport Protocols, Routing Protocols, DNS > or Sub-IP Protocols) are the primary responsibility of the groups or areas > responsible for those protocols or technologies. > However, the mops Working Group may provide input to those areas/groups, > as needed, and cooperate with those areas/groups in reviewing solutions to > mops operational and deployment problems. > [JH] Should we use something strong than "may" here? "should"? "is > expected to"? > > Future work items within this scope will be adopted by the Working Group only > if there is a substantial expression of interest from the community and if the > work clearly does not fit elsewhere in the IETF. > > There must be a continuous expression of interest for the Working Group to > work on a particular work item. If there is no longer sufficient interest in the > Working Group in a work item, the item may be removed from the list of > Working Group items. > > [JH] I thought there's a similar expectation already for WGs in general, > is there a sense which this WG needs special handling? > [JH] Should there be a provision for criteria that would justify closing > the WG? (If sufficient consideration of media delivery concerns > becomes routine in protocol specs, or if interest or attendance > drops below some threshold?) Not sure what's normal for ops > groups, but some of the RFC 2418 text seems to suggest the normal > WG goal is about defining protocols, and like other ops groups, > this is a little different. > > > > From: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> > Date: 2019-06-03 at 09:50 > To: "ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org> > Cc: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com> > Subject: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request > > Hi everyone, > > IETF105 BoF requests are due this Friday, so now would be good time to send > your comments on the MOPS BoF draft > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S4soR8QVjbCa1k1CXS8bCXox_h8-zK6k > EsS8_IU4yXI/ > > The current draft is an amalgam of the discussions we had at IETF104 and > feedback from a few ADs, but the more the better so please don’t be shy. > > This is a chance to bring forward, officially the topic of creating an group with > video expertise at the IETF that can help video problems across the great > diversity of technical areas that are the IETF. So I encourage you to please > take a couple of minutes when you get this email, look at the draft and > comment back the list your thoughts. > > Even – “it looks good to me” – is helpful to hear. > > regards > Glenn > > > > _______________________________________________ > GGIE mailing list > GGIE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ggie > > ________________________________________________________________ > _________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou > copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le > signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages > electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute > responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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- [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Kyle Rose
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Colin Perkins
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Holland, Jake
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Matthew Stock
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request DRUTA, DAN
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request sanjay.mishra
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Roni Even (A)
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request emile.stephan
- Re: [GGIE] MOPS - Media Ops BoF request Huangyihong (Rachel)
- Re: [GGIE] [EXTERNAL] RE: MOPS - Media Ops BoF re… Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
- Re: [GGIE] [EXTERNAL] RE: MOPS - Media Ops BoF re… Huangyihong (Rachel)