Re: [GGIE] [EXTERNAL] Re: 20181107-VIG-IETF103-Bangkok.pdf

On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:22 PM Holland, Jake <jholland@akamai.com> wrote:

> I agree ggie is a different matter.
>
> I was looking at the wide range of topics presented in the video interest
> group meetings (for which I think there’s not a list besides ggie still?)
> that we’ve had after the first ggie bar-bof, not at ggie specifically. I
> think it would be beneficial to decouple them, and sorry for hijacking the
> list if you were hoping it would remain primarily ggie-related.
>
Well, frankly speaking there seem to be some specific issues people want to
get solved thru ggie. I cannot say i understand the need or the motivation
for all. Thats ok, but looking at the activity around ggie, it has been a
venue for mostly informal meetings for presenting various problems or
proposals. But what is the intended outcome? What is that this group
expects to produce?

> Am I understanding correctly that your position is that topics specific to
> media over internet (outside of RTP, of course) are not worth trying to
> address at IETF/IRTF, with whoever is willing to participate?
>
that might be too strong to say but yes, thats my current feeling.

>
>
> -Jake
>
>
>
> *From: *"Ali C. Begen" <ali.begen@networked.media>
> *Date: *2018-11-15 at 10:25
> *To: *"Holland, Jake" <jholland@akamai.com>
> *Cc: *"Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>, Leslie Daigle
> <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>, "ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [GGIE] [EXTERNAL] Re: 20181107-VIG-IETF103-Bangkok.pdf
>
>
>
> You have good points. But media touches on so many other organizations,
> many of which are not compatible with working with the ietf or irtf rules.
> Without their inclusion, success is hard to reach, though.
>
>
>
> Certain folks in the ietf community are interested in media but then many
> media related people are not even aware of the ietf or irtf.  How do we go
> about them?
>
>
>
> Glenn has a good point, too. GGIE wants to solve immediate problems. IRTF
> does not.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 9:11 PM Holland, Jake <jholland@akamai.com> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that, like many of the research groups, we’re grappling
> with present-day issues on the internet that don’t have a known good
> solution, with a lot of contributions on a wide array of relevant topics
> that don’t have another landing place in the IETF (or the IRTF) where
> they’re clearly in-scope.
>
>
>
> Although various actors are trying a lot of things live and planning to
> roll out a lot of things in the near term (standardized or not), there’s a
> lot of unknown space here, and very little confidence (speaking only for
> myself) that the solutions rolled out in the near term are going to be the
> optimal or most widely adopted long-term solutions, as video traffic on the
> internet continue to scale. Even more so if you think about including the
> internet needs for emerging VR-based media.
>
>
>
> I’d argue that in this respect, we’re in a very similar position that a
> bunch of the other research groups are in, specifically including maprg,
> iccrg, t2trg, nmrg, cfrg, and nwcrg.
>
>
>
> I think we saw a taste of the interest level at the first ggie bar-bof
> (the one that got too big to do in a bar), especially with the hum about
> whether problems in this space are worth continuing to discuss at the IETF.
> I bet if we did something like a “Internet Media at Scale Research Group”
> with a charter, we’d see a significant level of buy-in.
>
>
>
> I have no strong opinion on the timing of making an attempt, but it seems
> worthwhile to me to try to put a charter together that people on this list
> more or less agree on and try to get it on the agenda in the context of a
> proposed research group.
>
>
>
> Just my 2c. :)
>
>
>
> -Jake
>
>
>
> *From: *"Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <Glenn.Deen@nbcuni.com>
> *Date: *2018-11-15 at 01:28
> *To: *"Holland, Jake" <jholland@akamai.com>
> *Cc: *Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>, "ggie@ietf.org" <
> ggie@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GGIE] 20181107-VIG-IETF103-Bangkok.pdf
>
>
>
> If we did want to explore that route would would likely need to wait until
> the new IIRTF chair is chosen and seated at IETF104.
>
>
>
> One, Among a few, of my concerns with being in the IRTF is that much of
> what we are talking about is being done in order to do initial deployment
> operationally in the near term (6-18mos) and isn’t research with a lot of
> academics
>
>
>
> I’m sure we could attract academics but they maybe in a space that’s
> research - more abstract and less deplorable.
>
>
>
> Glenn
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Holland, Jake <jholland@akamai.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Thanks for writing this up, Leslie.
>
>
>
> I think there was also a suggestion to turn this video interest meeting
> forum into an IRTF research group, with a few people concurring that it
> seemed like a good idea.
>
>
>
> Is there any interest from people on this list in following up on that
> suggestion?  I think it’s a good idea, and a good fit with the nature of
> the presentations that we’ve seen, and the kinds of problems we’ve been
> grappling with.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *From: *Leslie Daigle <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>
> *Date: *2018-11-14 at 13:52
> *To: *"ggie@ietf.org" <ggie@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *[GGIE] 20181107-VIG-IETF103-Bangkok.pdf
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks to everyone who joined the discussion last week in Bangkok! Please
> find attached some notes from our session at IETF 103.
>
> Leslie.
>
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> ldaigle@thinkingcat.com
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