[grobj] FW: [Fwd: Re: Problem statement]
Sheng Jiang <shengjiang@huawei.com> Thu, 28 January 2010 09:33 UTC
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From: Sheng Jiang <shengjiang@huawei.com>
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Subject: [grobj] FW: [Fwd: Re: Problem statement]
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FYI, there were some private discussion regarding to the new GROBJ problem statement draft. Resend it to the grobj maillist with permission. Wish to light wider discussion. There are 7 emails in this thread. This is 7th out of 7. Regards, Sheng > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wing [mailto:dwing@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:30 AM > To: 'Sheng Jiang' > Cc: 'Simon Perreault'; 'Brian E Carpenter' > Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [grobj] Problem statement] > > > When I said "One Unified Format", I did not mean a single > format. What > > I mean is a Unified framework, which any applications can > look at it > > and at least understand this is useful for it or not. > > Ok. > > > It just likes that we draft a table. We define: first > column is name, > > second is age, third is professional, blabla. That is a > unified table. > > You fill it in different language, English, France, > Chinese... oh, I > > guess, we need to add a zero column before name - language (maybe > > expressed in number). > > > > Then, the table is unified and reusable. It gets meanings among > > different languages. The table can work when people speack > different > > languages. No need to redesign another or multiple tables for the > > similar purpose. Otherwise, A, we may get multiple tables > to make it > > different to understand each other, B, the experience > cannot be passed > > among different languages, a new language or org may starts > from zero > > and consider every detail by itself. > > > > > We don't have many application "A" (e.g., XMPP) talking to > > > application "B" (e.g., SIP) today. There's lots of reasons > > for that. > > > Incompatible referrals is only one reason -- and a small reason, > > > really; referrals, to date, have been simple. Yet, there > still is > > > not a lot of application-A talking to application-B using > referrals. > > > So having a unique format, which is a natural for each > application, > > > is not harmful. > > > > I agree what you said: applicants rarely talk to each other now. > > However, this is not about APP-A talk to APP-B using GROBJ. > > It is when > > APP-B designs its traversal/referral function/protocol, it reuses > > APP-A's traversal/referral experience. > > Sounds great. > > > That's the whole motivation of > > GROBJ here: to avaid APP-B to start its own ICE design from > zero. With > > GROBJ, APP-B designers just fill a framework with their favorite > > language and follow a set of rules, then things can work > out for them. > > They don't need to read and fully understand hundred pages of ICE > > document. They can easily make their applications, client a > of APP-B > > and client b of APP-B, connect to each other directly. > > Ok. > > Thanks. > -d > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sheng >
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- Re: [grobj] Problem statement bo zhou
- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Simon Perreault
- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Dan Wing
- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Simon Perreault
- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Dan Wing
- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Simon Perreault
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- Re: [grobj] Problem statement Joel Halpern
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- Re: [grobj] NATs and scope Dan Wing
- Re: [grobj] NATs and scope Simon Perreault
- Re: [grobj] NATs and scope Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [grobj] Trying all addresses Keith Moore
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- Re: [grobj] Trying all addresses Brian E Carpenter
- [grobj] FW: [Fwd: Re: Problem statement] Sheng Jiang