Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-problem-definition (ends: 8/24/2015 - Aug 24)
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Subject: Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-problem-definition (ends: 8/24/2015 - Aug 24)
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On 10/12/15, 11:40 PM, "Sriram, Kotikalapudi" <kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote: Sriram, this is significantly improved. One substantial comment that I still have with this version: >>It is also unclear from the text exactly what you mean by U-Turn >>(it's not going back the way it came, so actually hairpin might be a >>better term), >>so a few words to clarify might be useful. > >Hairpin seems to have a connotation that the turn is tight/constricted. >So now I use the phrase “U-shaped turn” instead of “U-turn”. WG] This may be nitpicking, but I don't think that adding "shaped" is actually much of an improvement. I was thinking of hairpin from the way that it is used in VPNs, as in data that enters and leaves the network via the same edge device, but typically on a different physical or logical interface (instead of entering on one PE and leaving via another), rather than the way that it is used on racetracks to describe a near 180 degree turn. Here are a few ideas I had of other ways to refer to this: - a "detour leak", in that traffic will be detouring through the leaking ASN - "ASN-in-the-middle leak" - similar to MiTM such that invoking the concept is useful, but it's necessary to disambiguate the two since the latter has a specific and well-known meaning - "parrotting leak" or "game of telephone leak" in that it is repeating something it learned elsewhere, but introducing a mistake, not unlike the grade school game of telephone (if you're up for a reference to The Simpsons, you could call it a "purple monkey dishwasher leak" but that would likely require too much explanation ;-) ) - "[accidental | unintentional] transit leak" since the net result of the leak is that traffic will transit the leaking AS rather than its normal path Thanks, Wes Anything below this line has been added by my company’s mail server, I have no control over it. ----------- ________________________________ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout.
- [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-problem-d… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… George, Wes
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Susan Hares
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Andrei Robachevsky
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… George, Wes
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Job Snijders
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… George, Wes
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… David Farmer
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… joel jaeggli
- Re: [GROW] WGLC: draft-ietf-grow-route-leak-probl… Sriram, Kotikalapudi