Re: [GROW] review of draft-ietf-grow-bmp-local-rib-07 (preparing for sheperd write-up)

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From: "Tim Evens (tievens)" <tievens@cisco.com>
To: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
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Subject: Re: [GROW] review of draft-ietf-grow-bmp-local-rib-07 (preparing for sheperd write-up)
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Jeff, 

I've updated this to UTF-8. From a receiver point of view, we handle utf-8 generically without any special need to deserialize it.  I suggest we do not attempt to define structure and/or constraints around the VRF names as that would severely impact system implementations that are out-of-scope of this draft. 

How about if we add:

"The structure, syntax, and constraints for a VRF name are router specific."


??

For example:

	Type = 3: VRF/Table Name.  The Information field contains a UTF-8
      	string whose value MUST be equal to the value of the VRF or table
	      name (e.g.  RD instance name) being conveyed.  The string size
	      MUST be within the range of 1 to 255 bytes.  The structure, syntax,
		and constraints for a VRF name are router specific.

Thanks,
Tim


On 11/3/20, 4:52 PM, "GROW on behalf of Jeffrey Haas" <grow-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote:

    Job, 

    I agree that utf-8 is more appropriate, but would remind you that a great deal more text about handling it would be needed. See prior discussion on RFC 8203. 

    Jeff

    > On Nov 3, 2020, at 1:29 AM, Job Snijders
    > 
    > ### note 8
    > 
    > section 5.3
    > 
    > Curious: why ASCII and not UTF-8 (of which ASCII is a subset)?
    > 

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