Re: [GSMP] RE: GSMP WG Status

avri <avri@psg.com> Thu, 11 December 2003 22:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [GSMP] RE: GSMP WG Status
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On torsdag, dec 11, 2003, at 17:58 Europe/Zurich, Wijnen, Bert (Bert) 
wrote:

> GSMP WG members,
>
> I think this WG should be closed:

As you and state below, I strongly disagree.

>
> - The below message was posted to this WG list Nov 9th.
> - We are now 1 month further, I have seen virtually NO reaction to it
> - Alex and I have spoken with WG chairs at IETF with the implied
>   message that I am ready to shut down the WG.
> - Your WG chairs defended VERY SERIOUS why the WG should continue
>   and that WG pariticipation would IMPROVE imminently (such was
>   promised back in the Vienna IETF also).

And there was improvement after Vienna, just not as much as you wanted.
There has been traffic on the list, and just becasue it was about GRMP 
is no reason to discount the conversation.

> - But I do not see any of that happening.
> - I do see that Avri delivered on the revision of the base spec
>   (albeit with a note that yet more changes are needed)

The guarantee was that the next rev would go out with the layer changes 
included.  not that the document would be finished in November.

> - It cause two comments, but basically resulted in discussion of
>   GRMP.
> - Other authors have not lived up to any promises

The other document which is promised in promised for December,.  It is 
early to say that promise has not been lived up to.

> - I see no volunteering for the docs that have no editor/author.

There have been volunteers and the co-chairs are in the process of 
working out specifics.

>
> I will be speaking with rest of IESG to close the WG.
> I cannot support the claim that this WG is actually a Working Group.

I think you are acting prematurely and I do not support your your claim 
that it is not a working group.  there are small groups and there are 
big groups.  there are quiet groups and there are noisy groups.  the 
work is progressing.

I am at least one voice in the working group who thinks that closing 
the group is wrong.  I hope there are other.

And I hope that they speak up.

Best Regards,

a.



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