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Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net> Wed, 06 November 2019 21:17 UTC

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From: Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
CC: "hackathon@ietf.org" <hackathon@ietf.org>, "cbor@ietf.org" <cbor@ietf.org>, "t2trg@irtf.org" <t2trg@irtf.org>, Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
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All correct, except the "fit on one slide" for the whole model is probably working for anything that is not a real world problem __ unless I misunderstood ... 

--- tony 

On 11/6/19, 1:02 PM, "Carsten Bormann" <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

    On Nov 6, 2019, at 18:20, Antoni Przygienda <prz@juniper.net> wrote:
    > 
    > >    When the complexity of the data being modeled dominates your thinking …
    >  
    > Tony’s dogma: “Complexity of any successful technology _always_ goes up with time” 😉 😉
    
    Indeed, that’s why I talked about “dominates your thinking” (as opposed to “should dominate your thinking”).
    
    An interesting effect of having a great FDT technique is that it becomes much easier to handle complexity.
    A follow-on effect is that, as it is so much easier to put in complexity, you do put in more of that.
    Which will hurt you sooner than you think (*)…
    
    So I strongly believe that a prerequisite of using FDT successfully is that the formal model of your shiny new RFC should now fit on one slide.  (Which actually works out for RFC 7071 (+)!)
    
    Grüße, Carsten
    
    (*) I still remember when I first read the ASN.1 for GSM MAP.  All 950 pages [IIRC] of it…
    (+) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8610*page-61__;Iw!8WoA6RjC81c!TwrWiCR6j8RDlcPfaISIxVV7xjRnaS04YL0LnKZkf3XxaHeXxM53msCyp2QMaA$

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