Re: [hackathon] Interop testing within hackathon network

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 12 March 2021 20:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hackathon] Interop testing within hackathon network
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On Mar 12, 2021, at 2:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> In fairness, Chris, the unsubscribe link in the headers is significantly hard to find since typical user agents will not normally display it. For example, on Thunderbird you need to select View/Headers/All and scroll down about three pages. On the gmail webmail interface you have to find the "Show Original" option and scroll through the whole SMTP header junk.

Depends on the MUA. If you are running MacOS, it looks like this:



It’s weird that GMail doesn’t do better. They definitely know how to read the header, because they do it for spam. Somebody ought to add this to Thunderbird. It’s sad how many mail UAs are stuck in the 20th century (not to say that Apple Mail is a paragon in every way, but it does get this right).

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> However, the convention of sending an Unsubscribe message to <listname>-request@<domain> should be known to everybody.
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> Regards
>   Brian
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> On 13-Mar-21 08:29, Chris Morrow wrote:
>> People need to learn how mailing lists work, please read the headers
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>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 6:16 PM Badma Butaev <badma@juniperlab.ru> wrote:
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>>> Hello!
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>>> Please remove me from the mailing list.
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>>>> 12 марта 2021 г., в 00:22, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> написал(а):
>>>> 
>>>> Pierre,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, and yes, ultimately it is up to the project champions and the rest of the team to determine how they want to work and what tools they want to use. A goal of the hackathon is to provide an environment and tools that can be helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Charles
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/11/21, 12:52 PM, "Pierre Francois" <pierre.francois@insa-lyon.fr> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Charles,
>>>> 
>>>>   these are great initiatives, but shouldn't we simply rely on the champions to provide the env for interop testing?
>>>> 
>>>>   Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>>   Pierre.
>>>> 
>>>>   ----- Mail original -----
>>>>> De: "Charles Eckel (eckelcu)" <eckelcu=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
>>>>> À: "Juhamatti Kuusisaari" <juhamatk@gmail.com>om>, hackathon@ietf.org
>>>>> Envoyé: Jeudi 11 Mars 2021 21:47:50
>>>>> Objet: Re: [hackathon] Interop testing within hackathon network
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Juhamatti,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Shared compute resources were made available at some previous in person
>>>>> hackathons, but that practice stoped due to low utilization.
>>>>> For recent online only hackathons, we have provided remote networking options,
>>>>> as described here,
>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-eckel-shmoo-ietf-hackathon-03#section-6.8
>>>>> 
>>>>> We ran into some complications that resulted in these services not being
>>>>> available for IETF 110, but we intend to offer something comparable for future
>>>>> hackathons. If so, would this work for the interop testing you have in mind?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Charles
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/11/21, 8:06 AM, "hackathon on behalf of Juhamatti Kuusisaari"
>>>>> <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of juhamatk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Just wondering how people have been doing interop testing in remote
>>>>>  hackathons so far, what would be the best practices? For my use case
>>>>>  the simplest thing would be to have a common server where a KVM image
>>>>>  would be instantiated and other KVM instances or even host processes
>>>>>  could connect to it over kernel switch. Anything like this available?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>>  --
>>>>>   Juhamatti
>>>>> 
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