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From: "MORTON JR., AL" <acmorton@att.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, "hackathon@ietf.org" <hackathon@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [hackathon] Open Source Software and network protocol standards
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: hackathon <hackathon-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2022 3:58 PM
> To: hackathon@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [hackathon] Open Source Software and network protocol standards
> 
> On 20-Mar-22 03:03, Lars Eggert wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2022-3-19, at 0:47, Stuart Cheshire <cheshire=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> wrote:
> >> Can you think of cases where an Open Source Software implementation clearly
> helped a networking protocol become successful? Was that Open Source
> implementation driven by the people (or companies) actively working on the
> protocol standard? Or was it created by an independent community following the
> standards development process?
> >
> > QUIC qualifies, I think. Almost all the implementations (including the
> initial Google-proprietary version) are open source, and for the IETF version,
> implementations and standardization were tightly coupled. We did combined WG
> interims plus interop events six times a year for several years.
> 
> I don't remember, if I ever knew, the historical sequence that led to the
> original BSD license, but didn't an early BSD Unix release include a small
> package called TCP/IP? At least by 1988, when worldwide growth of TCP/IP
> really took off, it carried a primitive form of the BSD license.
> 
> Another well known case is the public domain release of the original HTTP code
> in April 1993. That code probably didn't survive long but its release with no
> strings attached was very significant. See
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cds.cern.ch/record/1164399?ln=en__;!!BhdT!
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> 
>     Brian
> 
[acm] 
an example from the past is NTP.  When the NTP WG started-up again in ~2005*, quite a bit of the history was shared and it seemed that the Dave Mill's running code was the success factor (RFC 1305). There were very few other implementations, if any in 2005. The new NTP wg's goal was to bring the specification up-to-date with the current code (NTP v4). Anyone still working in timing distribution might want to tweak the above for accuracy.

* I believe someone hired a car to bring Dave to the wg-forming BoF meeting, a really nice gesture and the only time I met Dave in-person.

Al

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