Re: [hiaps] [Int-area] request to consider sponsoring http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-intarea-host-identifier-scenarios-04

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Fri, 07 March 2014 18:58 UTC

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On 3/7/2014 1:30 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu
> <mailto:touch@isi.edu>> wrote:
>
>     Brian,
>
>     Although I don't disagree with the points below, it's useful to
>     consider that INT is already working in this area, so I don't see
>     either (a) or (c) as being relevant unless you expect to shift
>     current INT docs to other WGs too.
>
>
> Respectfully disagree.
> There has been some time passed since then and many thing happened such
> as hiaps and a solution draft submission to tcpm.

IMO:

TCMP - TCP *minor* mods.

TSVWG - TCP major mods or mods that affect multiple transports (IMO this 
should).

INT - endpoint IDs, except specific solutions like HIP and mobility

BEHAVE - changes local to how NATs work

> Use case draft contains many more use cases than was discussed before.
> Different use cases may require different solutions at different levels.
> I think it is the mystery of this century to find out where this works
> belongs :-).

If it is then IMO you need to consider splitting it into separate docs.

Joe