Re: [Hipsec] BEET discussions

Pekka Nikander wrote:

Hi,

times have also changed since then and there are three interoperable 
BEET implementations now (in linux 2.6.27 kernel, in BSD and the 
userspace BEET). Could you or Jan resubmit the draft to the IETF archives?

> BEET mode was discussed in its early dais, and was basically rejected by 
> the IPsec folks (mainly Steve K) then, mainly due to not being any 
> "need" for it, or just not wanting even to consider a new mode to 
> IPsec.  Then some people claimed that it would be better to simply used 
> inner header compression instead.
> 
> --Pekka
> 
> On 25 Nov 2008, at 17:25, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
>> Has BEET mode been discussed outside of the HIP list?
>>
>> In my work last week to get HIP moving to Standards track, it became 
>> clear that BEET ESP will be a part of this and it will need to be 
>> reviewed by IPsec-centric people.  Tim Polk already had Sheila Frankel 
>> looking at it, and Paul Hoffman acknowledged that he would also have 
>> to review it.
>>
>> One thing that became evident is that the why of BEET mode is needed 
>> to be clearly stated.  For example I am missing the explaination that 
>> in BEET mode, the SA survives changes to the outer IP addresses.
>>
>> Also the semantics are related to tunnel mode with a nod to tranport 
>> mode.
>>
>> I am still trying to get a feel for the ID.  It still feels like the 
>> placement of BEET mode with respect to the other modes is defused over 
>> the document and not well delineated in the beginning.  Not only what 
>> BEET adds, but what problems occur when you try to do BEET semantics 
>> with tunnel or transport instead.
>>
>> I do want to say that I applaud the efforts that went into creating 
>> BEET mode, developing the current draft, and getting it into the 
>> 2.6.27 kernel (of course I want it in the 2.6.18 kernel as well 
>> without patching....).
>>
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