Re: [Hipsec] BEET discussions

Miika Komu wrote:
> Pekka Nikander wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> times have also changed since then and there are three interoperable 
> BEET implementations now (in linux 2.6.27 kernel, in BSD and the 
> userspace BEET). Could you or Jan resubmit the draft to the IETF 
> archives?

Draft 9 is already out there. They did this for me back after I visited
Helsinki.

>
>> BEET mode was discussed in its early dais, and was basically rejected 
>> by the IPsec folks (mainly Steve K) then, mainly due to not being any 
>> "need" for it, or just not wanting even to consider a new mode to 
>> IPsec. Then some people claimed that it would be better to simply 
>> used inner header compression instead.
>>
>> --Pekka
>>
>> On 25 Nov 2008, at 17:25, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> Has BEET mode been discussed outside of the HIP list?
>>>
>>> In my work last week to get HIP moving to Standards track, it became 
>>> clear that BEET ESP will be a part of this and it will need to be 
>>> reviewed by IPsec-centric people. Tim Polk already had Sheila 
>>> Frankel looking at it, and Paul Hoffman acknowledged that he would 
>>> also have to review it.
>>>
>>> One thing that became evident is that the why of BEET mode is needed 
>>> to be clearly stated. For example I am missing the explaination that 
>>> in BEET mode, the SA survives changes to the outer IP addresses.
>>>
>>> Also the semantics are related to tunnel mode with a nod to tranport 
>>> mode.
>>>
>>> I am still trying to get a feel for the ID. It still feels like the 
>>> placement of BEET mode with respect to the other modes is defused 
>>> over the document and not well delineated in the beginning. Not only 
>>> what BEET adds, but what problems occur when you try to do BEET 
>>> semantics with tunnel or transport instead.
>>>
>>> I do want to say that I applaud the efforts that went into creating 
>>> BEET mode, developing the current draft, and getting it into the 
>>> 2.6.27 kernel (of course I want it in the 2.6.18 kernel as well 
>>> without patching....).
>>>
>>>
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