Re: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion

Zhen Cao <zehn.cao@gmail.com> Tue, 28 June 2011 15:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion
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Hi Chairs,

I would like to play this topic in HIPRG. This is inline with our interests.

Regards,
Zhen
-China Mobile
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Andrei Gurtov <gurtov@hiit.fi> wrote:
>
> Hei Xiaohu,
>
> That's an interesting topic, but there should be interest of several
> organizations to discuss and develop it jointly at HIPRG. Can you think
> of others who would be willing to commit to this topic for a couple
> years? Maybe China mobile, Tsinghua University?
>
> Andrei
>
> Xu Xiaohu wrote:
>> Hi Tom and all,
>>
>> I propose to consider taking the hierarchical HIT research as a new charter
>> item. IMHO, there are at least two major benefits of using hierarchical HITs
>> from the commercial deployment perspectives:
>>
>> First, the ID/HIT registration management service and the ID-to-Locator
>> mapping service corresponding to the hierarchical HITs could be run in a
>> hierarchical manner. In other words, such global mobility management service
>> systems could be operated by different countries and different operators
>> with clear administrative domain boundaries and reasonable business models,
>> just like the telephone number space in the telephone network and the home
>> address space in the mobile IP network. In addition, the existing DNS
>> infrastructure doesn't need to be changed largely. That's to say, HITs of
>> the HIP hosts could be stored directly as their corresponding AAAA RRs in
>> the existing DNS infrastructure.
>>
>> Second, the usage of hierarchical HITs will ease the transition for HIP. For
>> instance, legacy IPv6 hosts could access mobile HIP hosts via provider-owned
>> HIP proxy devices (just as home agents in the mobile IP network) since the
>> hierarchical HITs could be routable in the Internet. On the contrary,
>> ORCHIDs are not routable in the Internet since there is no reasonable
>> business motivation for operators to deploy HIP proxy devices for such flat
>> identifiers.
>>
>> There has been some proposals and presentations discussing about
>> hierarchical HITs in HIPRG before as follows:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-hip-hierarchical-02
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kuptsov-hhit-02
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rangi-04
>>
>> By the way, we have implemented the RANGI
>> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-rangi-04) prototype which uses a
>> hierarchical and cryptographic host IDs with delegation-oriented structure.
>> Hope we could have a chance to show the implementation details and
>> verification results at the forthcoming IETF meeting in Quebec City.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Xiaohu
>>
>>
>>> -----邮件原件-----
>>> 发件人: hiprg-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:hiprg-bounces@irtf.org] 代表
>>> Henderson, Thomas R
>>> 发送时间: 2011年6月6日 22:49
>>> 收件人: hiprg@irtf.org
>>> 抄送: 'irtf-chair@irsg.org'
>>> 主题: [hiprg] HIPRG charter discussion
>>>
>>> With the completion of the experiment report (our main RG charter item
>> since
>>> the RG's inception), I would like to ask about future directions of the
>> RG.
>>> Outside of completing our current RG drafts, we need to try to define some
>>> new collaborative work items and define what role the RG will play
>> relative to
>>> the WG.
>>>
>>> These work items should ideally satisfy the following criteria:
>>> - is the research area clear and relevant for the Internet community and
>> for
>>> HIP in particular?  What are the expected outcomes and impact?
>>> - will the RG foster work that would not be done otherwise?  For instance,
>>> participation drawn from more than a single institution or country.  Can
>> we
>>> try to identify individuals for this anticipated participation?
>>>
>>> We can have some discussion of this at the next meeting but I would like
>> to see
>>> whether we can start identifying some topics on the list before the
>> meeting.
>>> - Tom
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Best regards,
Zhen