Pascal Urien [mailto:pascal.urien at] Tue, 21 April 2009 05:16 UTC

From: "Pascal Urien"
To: "Andrei Gurtov"
Cc: Henderson, "Thomas R"
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 05:16:00 +0000
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miika.komu at; hipsec-rg at; Gyu Myoung Lee
Subject: Re: future work on naming objects in HIP


I mostly agree with this proposal.


 I would suggest to work on a first draft dealing with archiecture issues, 

 i.e what is the relation ship with HIP in the Internet Of Thing. 


 Some ideas

 - Is the Internet of Thing an identity oriented framework ?. Today status
is a serial number in a silicon chip

 - Is privacy an issue for internet of thing. Today it is not, neither for
HIP (HITs are fix values)

- Where should be located the HIP for internet of thing, in the tag, in the
reader, both ?

Can we imagine billions of things working with the HIP protocol ?



2009/4/21 Andrei Gurtov <gurtov at>

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I think the topic is interesting, and could be pursued in HIPRG.
However, probably it would be better not to take any of existing drafts
as-is as RG item, but rather to create a new id on the object naming
where all interested researchers could contribute. The draft would
concentrate more on conceptual requirements and architecture rather than
specific modifications of HIP headers, etc. This way there is a greater
chance that there is going to be critical mass in the RG to support the
draft through several revisions (and several years, to be realistic)
until publication as RFC. My concern is if we take some existing draft
directly, probably there will be little interest in RG other than from
draft authors to work on the document. What do you think?


Henderson, Thomas R wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gyu Myoung Lee [mailto:gmlee at]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:01 AM
>> To: Henderson, Thomas R; hipsec-rg at
>> Cc: 'Samu Varjonen'; Pascal.Urien at; 'Robert
>> Moskowitz'; 'Andrei Gurtov'
>> Subject: RE: future work on naming objects in HIP
>> Dear All,
>> As we have discussed several times on object related work, it
>> seems that
>> most of experts have some interesting points but we still
>> have technically
>> alternative solutions. Thus, it will be more productive way
>> to officially
>> work together on this topic as a RG item
>> First of all, in order to initiate this work as a RG item, I
>> believe that we
>> sincerely need to work on a broadly scoped high-level informational
>> document. In addition, we also need to develop documents on detailed
>> solution spaces simultaneously.
>> In this case, hip-object document will be a candidate for high level
>> informational document which contains basic concept, various technical
>> options and use cases, etc. I can take the responsibility for
>> developing
>> this document and also would like to invite several experts
>> for valuable
>> comments and inputs.
> Pascal, Robert, Miika,
> You've all expressed some interest in pursuing this topic as a RG work
> item.  Gyu Myoung Lee above suggested a possible concrete path forward.
> Would you like to pursue the above with him, or other activities in
> parallel?  Does anyone else want to express opinions about going forward
> with this work?
> Tom

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