Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal
Miika Komu <miika.komu@ericsson.com> Wed, 29 June 2016 18:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal
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Hi Derek, On 03/29/2016 02:51 AM, Derek Fawcus wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 02:35:07pm +0200, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> First he will look into adding clarifications to the existing draft >> while still referencing the old RFC. If the group is not happy with the >> readability after the editorial pass (or our AD does not finally let us >> downref the old RFC), we can consider bringing material from the old RFC >> directly into the new one. > > Sorry, that I'm quite late in looking at these, but have been doing > so recently... > > I have to say that I find the it difficult to decode simply because > of having to refer to 3 (the draft, 5770, 5245) plus possibly the > STUN/TURN docs at once. > > I'd certainly find it easier to comprehend if the text from 5770 was > incorporated (suitably modified to account for not doing STUN/TURN) > within the draft. That way the references to the significant pieces > of 5245 text would be easier to nail down. done! > As it is, I currently find it a bit like reading an Act of Parliament! > > e.g. $3.8 Connectivity Checks > refers to $4.6 of 5770 with some exceptions, $4.6 of 5770 refers to > $5.7 of 5245 and $7 of 5245, where the exceptions (use of UPDATE instead > of STUN) have to be applied to that $7 referencing 5389, so possibly > I don't have to read 5389, since hopefully it would just be packet formats. > >> I would also like the group to comment on the following two proposals: >> >> 1) the draft will allow implementers to use HIP native relays only. In >> addition, the use of STUN and TURN relays will be optional. > > I'd suggest the draft be native only, but say with an appendix referencing > 5770 for use of STUN/TURN, maybe indicating which bits of the 5770 > to take heed of. STUN is now optional, but just for determining the host's owns address candidates. Data relay must be used instead of TURN. >> 2) in addition to covering the base exchange, the draft will also cover >> the mobility readdressing exchange. > > Not having read that recently, I can't really comment. The mobility is now covered.
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Tom Henderson
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Ari Keränen
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Ari Keränen
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Tom Henderson
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Tom Henderson
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Jeff Ahrenholz
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Derek Fawcus
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Ari Keränen
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Miika Komu
- Re: [Hipsec] WGLC: draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-trav… Gonzalo Camarillo