Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting?

Tobias Heer <heer@cs.rwth-aachen.de> Mon, 07 June 2010 16:41 UTC

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Hi Robert, 

Am 04.06.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Robert Moskowitz:

> On 06/01/2010 07:30 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>> Hi Bob,
>> 
>> you want to edit the draft in real time during the face-to-face meeting?
>> Wouldn't it be more efficient to agree on what the draft needs to say
>> and then have the editor craft the exact text offline?
>>   
> 
> You have never attended an IEEE 802 meeting, then.
> 
> Yes text is crafted right then and there.  Scary.  But then for 802, it is one of the key ways to make headway on documents...
> 
> Years back when I was co-chairing IPsec, we had a document reading dinner.  We broke into teams having different nationalities on each team; each team with a diffferent docuement.  Some changes were exact text changes, others were 'this needs something', but it was a major movement forward in the document.

I would be happy to attend such a meeting for HIP and Diet HIP. I think we can schedule the meeting independent of a WG meeting. This might make more sense anyway because there will be less people who just want to peek in and we can have more intensive discussions that way.

I would suggest that we start a doodle to see who would like to attend and when it is convenient. Gonzalo, are you fine with having such non-official small-scale meeting?

BR, Tobias


> 
> it is just that at least for 5201-bis, it has taken Tobias and I a lot of work to craft the changes.  I for one want a group of people to seriously sit down and go through it, so this will NOT drag out.  (and Tobias has supplied a lot more of the text than me; I have been more 'we need something here').
> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Gonzalo
>> 
>> On 01/06/2010 2:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>   
>>> On 06/01/2010 05:24 AM, Tobias Heer wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Hi Gonzalo,
>>>> 
>>>> I could give a more precise presentation regarding the changes in 5201 (the last one was quite quick and high level) but I think it would be most important to have some people to review the documents. I hope we will have the last issues sorted out within the next two weeks so that we can submit a new draft.
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>> I would actually like to see a document reading meeting. We have a
>>> formal review of each section and get exact editorial/techincal changes.
>>> We do this a lot in IEEE 802, and I have done it in the past at IETF.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>     
>>>> I have no issues coming to Maastricht for it is very close to the place I live but I think with sufficient participation on the mailing list we can possibly skip the face-to-face meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> Tobias
>>>> 
>>>> Am 31.05.2010 um 16:11 schrieb Gonzalo Camarillo:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> it is clear we need to have the documents reviewed. However, do you
>>>>> expect the reviewers to find issues that will require face-to-face
>>>>> discussions? If we need face-to-face time, I am happy to request a slot.
>>>>> However, I would not like to request a slot just to show a few slides
>>>>> without discussions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25/05/2010 6:36 AM, Henderson, Thomas R wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>         
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:hipsec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:44 PM
>>>>>>> To: Gonzalo Camarillo
>>>>>>> Cc: HIP
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 05/24/2010 12:17 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> we need to decide whether or not we need face-to-face time
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> during the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> next IETF. Opinions?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> It would be 'nice' to have a serious document review at that time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There shouldn't be quite the 'hand waving' we did at Anahiem,
>>>>>>> but actual
>>>>>>> documents for people to have read over and be reading to hum on or
>>>>>>> supply changes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>> I cannot attend but I tend to agree that a review would be helpful to move things along, if you can form a quorum.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Tom
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>           
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>       
>> 
>>   




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