Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting?
Tobias Heer <heer@cs.rwth-aachen.de> Mon, 07 June 2010 16:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting?
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Hi Robert, Am 04.06.2010 um 23:39 schrieb Robert Moskowitz: > On 06/01/2010 07:30 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> Hi Bob, >> >> you want to edit the draft in real time during the face-to-face meeting? >> Wouldn't it be more efficient to agree on what the draft needs to say >> and then have the editor craft the exact text offline? >> > > You have never attended an IEEE 802 meeting, then. > > Yes text is crafted right then and there. Scary. But then for 802, it is one of the key ways to make headway on documents... > > Years back when I was co-chairing IPsec, we had a document reading dinner. We broke into teams having different nationalities on each team; each team with a diffferent docuement. Some changes were exact text changes, others were 'this needs something', but it was a major movement forward in the document. I would be happy to attend such a meeting for HIP and Diet HIP. I think we can schedule the meeting independent of a WG meeting. This might make more sense anyway because there will be less people who just want to peek in and we can have more intensive discussions that way. I would suggest that we start a doodle to see who would like to attend and when it is convenient. Gonzalo, are you fine with having such non-official small-scale meeting? BR, Tobias > > it is just that at least for 5201-bis, it has taken Tobias and I a lot of work to craft the changes. I for one want a group of people to seriously sit down and go through it, so this will NOT drag out. (and Tobias has supplied a lot more of the text than me; I have been more 'we need something here'). > >> Cheers, >> >> Gonzalo >> >> On 01/06/2010 2:26 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> >>> On 06/01/2010 05:24 AM, Tobias Heer wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gonzalo, >>>> >>>> I could give a more precise presentation regarding the changes in 5201 (the last one was quite quick and high level) but I think it would be most important to have some people to review the documents. I hope we will have the last issues sorted out within the next two weeks so that we can submit a new draft. >>>> >>>> >>> I would actually like to see a document reading meeting. We have a >>> formal review of each section and get exact editorial/techincal changes. >>> We do this a lot in IEEE 802, and I have done it in the past at IETF. >>> >>> >>> >>>> I have no issues coming to Maastricht for it is very close to the place I live but I think with sufficient participation on the mailing list we can possibly skip the face-to-face meeting. >>>> >>>> Tobias >>>> >>>> Am 31.05.2010 um 16:11 schrieb Gonzalo Camarillo: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> it is clear we need to have the documents reviewed. However, do you >>>>> expect the reviewers to find issues that will require face-to-face >>>>> discussions? If we need face-to-face time, I am happy to request a slot. >>>>> However, I would not like to request a slot just to show a few slides >>>>> without discussions. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Gonzalo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25/05/2010 6:36 AM, Henderson, Thomas R wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: hipsec-bounces@ietf.org >>>>>>> [mailto:hipsec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert Moskowitz >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:44 PM >>>>>>> To: Gonzalo Camarillo >>>>>>> Cc: HIP >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/24/2010 12:17 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we need to decide whether or not we need face-to-face time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> during the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> next IETF. Opinions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be 'nice' to have a serious document review at that time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There shouldn't be quite the 'hand waving' we did at Anahiem, >>>>>>> but actual >>>>>>> documents for people to have read over and be reading to hum on or >>>>>>> supply changes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot attend but I tend to agree that a review would be helpful to move things along, if you can form a quorum. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hipsec mailing list >>>>> Hipsec@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- Dipl.-Inform. Tobias Heer, Ph.D. Student Distributed Systems Group RWTH Aachen University, Germany tel: +49 241 80 207 76 web: http://ds.cs.rwth-aachen.de/members/heer blog: http://dtobi.wordpress.com/ card: http://card.ly/dtobi
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- Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? Tobias Heer
- Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? Gonzalo Camarillo
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- Re: [Hipsec] Face-to-face meeting? Gonzalo Camarillo
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