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Re: [Hipsec] Re-doing the IESG ballot for draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
CC: "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, "hipsec@ietf.org" <hipsec@ietf.org>, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>
Thread-Topic: Re-doing the IESG ballot for draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal
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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Re-doing the IESG ballot for draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal
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Thank you, Eric, for the added information.

-éric (the other one)

From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Friday, 21 February 2020 at 14:39
To: Eric Vyncke <evyncke@cisco.com>
Cc: "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, "hipsec@ietf.org" <hipsec@ietf.org>, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>
Subject: Re: Re-doing the IESG ballot for draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal

I would like to note for the record that I do not find the arguments in the applicability statement at all persuasive. They are principally about performance but ICE occurs at setup time (so CPU performance is not much of an issue) and is inherently so, with pacing and RTT the dominant factors (and so the system architecture issues are unpersuasive). As I am no longer an AD, this is just opinion, but were I the AD,  I would insist on a strong rationale.

-Ekr


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 4:35 AM Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com<mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>> wrote:
Hi,

The first IESG ballot for the draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal was done in May 2018 and was blocked by a couple of DISCUSS by the 2018 IESG. The main issue IMHO was around “why not reusing plain ICE?”; the authors in discussion with Adam Roach have provided an applicability statement and a justification on why “plain ICE” does not work efficiently when combined with HIP + additional text or replies for the remaining DISCUSS & COMMENT.

The diff are https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-30&url1=draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-28

I have reviewed all COMMENT and DISCUSS from 2 years ago and it appears to me that they are all addressed (including those from 2018 AD who are no more AD in 2020 – they are in cc). The changes in the document are minor and I am confident that neither a WG Last Call not an IETF Last Call is required. I am therefore placing the document in the next IESG telechat and opening a new IESG ballot.

Thank you for the authors on their energy to keep the document useful,

Regards,

-éric

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