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On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Robert Moskowitz <rgm@htt-consult.com> =
wrote:
> It is a switch to request integrity only. Or to only allow integrity =
only. Either party MUST be able to reject an integrity only negotiation.

That's not good enough.   It should be the case that integrity-only =
negotiations are rejected by default, unless there's no protocol =
requirement for confidentiality.   If there is no need for =
confidentiality, then the answer to the DISCUSS should be "there is no =
need for confidentiality."

